tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4367190233877799632.post3438603164604406669..comments2024-02-27T09:51:03.152-08:00Comments on On Memetics: The virtues of intelligent designTim Tylerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06623536372084468307noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4367190233877799632.post-32487993933605240132016-01-10T19:25:11.797-08:002016-01-10T19:25:11.797-08:00If we are talking about the whole machine vs organ...If we are talking about the whole machine vs organic issue, my usually-favored metrics are mass and dollars. We can weigh sensors, actuators, computing units, and so forth from each domain. Or we can see how much they cost. Mass and cost of computing matter are not the same thing as intelligence, of course, but they have the virtue of being easier to measure. I discussed these metrics in a 2009 article titled "measuring the machine takeover".<br /><br />I concluded: "I think it is clear that nature's sensors, processing, actuators and genes outweigh the corresponding engineered artifacts produced by mankind across the board. Evidently, the machine takeover has not yet happened."<br />Tim Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623536372084468307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4367190233877799632.post-2279979024203386382016-01-10T13:35:00.019-08:002016-01-10T13:35:00.019-08:00Large corporations pay millions of dollars to deve...Large corporations pay millions of dollars to develop & maintain their software / hardware...and computer programs were developed by government & educational institutions precisely b/c they are so expensive to develop & maintain. <br /><br />Though my bank account doesn't reflect it, our society pays for continued innovations through funding, grants & business investments. Computers are energy hogs compared to the computational power of organic systems and not nearly as adaptable to environmental changes. And complexity of programming increases with the complexity of the hardware / software, so if AI is achieved, we may discover it is an extravagance to program. Intelligence does not equal compliance. <br /><br />Yet despite the complexity of the human brain, tribal cultures have efficiently programmed their members to replicate traditional memes and adapt to changing environments, even while facing caloric restrictions and other stresses. The metrics which returns the result of an inorganic frame's superiority to the biological seems flawed. <br /><br />Yes, there are many proposed metrics of measuring machine intelligence, but I was curious about your metrics and how you reach your assertions.SecondReplicatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12351251317948670282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4367190233877799632.post-73600406341052608332015-12-30T15:27:28.924-08:002015-12-30T15:27:28.924-08:00Thanks, Lauren. I do have an essay about human pro...Thanks, Lauren. I do have an essay about human programability somewhere. However, at best, programming humans is expensive. If a machine started charging you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to program it, you would take it back to the shop.<br /><br />Shane Legg once had some thoughts about measuring intelligence - e.g.: "A Formal Measure of Machine Intelligence" and "A Universal Measure of Intelligence for Artificial Agents". There are lots of proposed metrics.Tim Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623536372084468307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4367190233877799632.post-69909165333984941652015-12-29T17:58:29.106-08:002015-12-29T17:58:29.106-08:00Love how you incorporate the drive toward AI in yo...Love how you incorporate the drive toward AI in your critique of Ridley's work.<br /><br />"(Human minds) are irrational and difficult to program"-- Depends upon the context. Some organizations excel at programming minds (if that is what one is after).<br /><br />What might be some standards to measure whether machine intelligence improves on human intelligence?SecondReplicatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12351251317948670282noreply@blogger.com