Dawkins vs Pinker on religious memes

Dawkins puts it to Pinker that it isn't just that priests are manipulating their flock, but rather both may be being manipulated by "mind viruses".

Alas, Pinker's response doesn't really seem to get around to addressing the point.

This video is from the following series:

• The Psychology of Religion - Steven Pinker (I)
• The Psychology of Religion - Steven Pinker (II)
• The Psychology of Religion - Steven Pinker, Richard Dawkins(III) (the video above)
• The Psychology of Religion - Richard Dawkins, Professor DeRose (IV)
• The Psychology of Religion - Professor DeRose, Richard Dawkins, Steven Pinker (V)